Thank you, Chair.
I'm interested in comments and testimony where both of you, I believe, said it was your testimony that subsection 15(1) is being abused or overused, or used in areas that weren't appropriate. That's where I find the document that was made available to us very helpful, where you can actually see what's blacked out and what excuse they use.
Subsection 13(1) is used three or four times that I can find, and maybe appropriately, because it talks about information given to this government by the Afghanistan human rights commission--in other words, from another government. So that would make sense.
But it also uses paragraphs 21(1)(a) and 21(1)(b) in whole sections. Now, I understand that is advice to ministers or cabinet confidences. What are paragraphs 21(1)(a) and 21(1)(b) for?