Right. But the greyed-out documents you were given would have had something beside them, I think. You were holding it up, and it looked to me like it had “15(1)” or something written there. I'm just wondering if this is a long-standing pattern of behaviour.
I think we had a suggestion earlier from Mr. Esau that there's a need to go in and deal with having legislation that is a little more assertive on this. I'm just trying to get my head around this problem. That's why I asked about this subsection 15(1).
You talked about culture, and I'm wondering if this is a long-standing culture. I'm trying to get a sense of that, thus the question I'm asking you.
But I recognize the limits under which you're able to answer.