I'm trying to move on here. But I think it's important to point out with regard to this that I could not have known that, right? We were saying, well, your committee member could tell you. We're not supposed to breach the in camera rule and talk about what goes on inside in camera meetings.
Anyway, regarding the structure, asking Mr. Koring to come, as well as Mr. Esau.... I stand corrected about the fact that Mr. Esau doesn't actually work for The Globe and Mail. But the only basis I have to know anything about Mr. Esau at this point is what was mentioned in The Globe and Mail. It was basically a passing reference that he had placed a number of research requests. So at this meeting, I was operating under the incorrect assumption that he was a Globe and Mail employee.
The reason I suggested Mr. Koring is that he wrote the relevant article. It was part of a series of articles, but he wrote the article that's relevant and related to the issue of access to information documents, as opposed to the separate discussion of the treatment of detainees in Afghanistan, prisoners in Afghanistan.
I was trying to think of all the people at The Globe and Mail, without being exhaustive or abusive of the process by asking people who aren't relevant, who could actually comment and provide us with proper information on this issue. Thus, the two names.
I listed Jocelyne Sabourin, who of course was mentioned. It's appropriate that she be here. I suggested her coming after the other witnesses, partly because at that point she'd have the capacity to respond. Also at that point, we would have been able to ask Mr. Esau to give us the full text of the correspondence that had gone on between us.
It seems to me that if the assertion is made that someone has been misleading and is in violation of the act, the attempt was made to point arrows at somebody. I'm worried that she would not have an adequate opportunity to defend herself. So that's the logic of putting her on the list.
I apologize. I don't have a copy of my motion in front of me. I'm trying to do this somewhat from memory, Mr. Chairman, as I go through the points.