Evidence of meeting #15 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.
A recording is available from Parliament.
As an Individual
That was the meeting in Mirabel. The only other time I was present was at the Pierre Hotel, where there was a report on what was being done.
February 12th, 2008 / 5:40 p.m.
Conservative
As an Individual
Yes, he demonstrated nothing but appreciation.
Mr. Tilson, you have this in front of you. In this, I attempt to reconstruct what both Mr. Mulroney and Mr. Schreiber had told me the mandate was, so I faithfully attempted to reconstruct that, leaving blanks as to the mandating companies and leaving a blank as to the amount that was paid for the retainer.
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
There's handwriting on here. It's quite a masterpiece.
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
You did discuss it somewhat.
I'd like to know what is referenced to Mr. Schreiber.
As an Individual
Okay. If you have the document in front of you, this “Bayerische Bitumen Chemie” is in Mr. Schreiber's handwriting, and then there's “Chemie” written bigger to the right.
As an Individual
To the right. Then there's the word “Kaufering” below. And then below that there's “Bitucan Calgary”.
These three sentences are all in Mr. Schreiber's handwriting. The rest of it is my handwriting.
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
We have a debate about the amounts. I know you've listened to the testimony of Mr. Schreiber and the affidavits. You've read his legal material.
I'd like you to clarify the $250,000 that's written here. What does that mean?
As an Individual
That's the number that Mr. Schreiber told me had been the fee for services and expenses for the assignment.
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Okay. I know you've answered this, but I want to be clear. You said that the money, which was in an envelope--and that's really all you know, and in fact you may not even know what was in the envelope. It could have been a letter, for all you know.
As an Individual
No, that's not quite true, because he made the statement. Schreiber said, “included your expenses and fees”.
Conservative
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Fees and expenses.
I know I'm asking you questions that you've already answered, but I just want to be clear again as to what the services were that Mr. Mulroney was to perform.
As an Individual
Well, these are the ones that are listed in this mandate letter.
I just draw to your attention that when I presented this to Mr. Schreiber on February 4, 2000, I asked him essentially to fill in the blanks, and he did. He didn't say, “No good”; he didn't write across it. He participated in the discussions, as you see by his own handwriting, and I recount here to the far bottom right a summary of what our discussions were about, and these discussions had to do with filling in the blanks. At the end, I said to Mr. Schreiber, “Now, this is what I've taken down. Do you agree with that?” “Of course, of course.”
That's how the meeting ended, and he left with his own copy of this, albeit without my notes or his handwriting. But since he was the author of what's in here, I presume he was comfortable with what he knew.
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Okay. I think you said in your testimony that you first met him in 1988?
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Of course, it was a long time ago. And everything was reasonably good.
Somewhere along the line your relationship deteriorated. Can you tell us when it deteriorated and why?
As an Individual
To be perfectly frank, it really deteriorated when I heard his testimony--
As an Individual
Yes, in which he made statements about me that were false.
However, to be fully forthcoming here, I must say that post-2000, when I discovered the shenanigans that he was involved in back home in Germany, albeit allegedly, I was kind of happy to take my distance from him, but I had no particular reasons other than what was in the public domain. He has never caused me any harm or anything of the sort, other than what he has testified to here, which has caused me great harm.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo
Okay. Mr. Doucet, you were with Mr. Mulroney and Mr. Schreiber in the Pierre hotel in December 1994?