Evidence of meeting #15 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Lalonde  As an Individual
Greg Alford  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Richard Rumas
Fred Doucet  As an Individual

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

In October and December there were further meetings involving the Prime Minister and the Government of Canada during a period when you were working for Mr. Schreiber. That's our evidence. Your evidence will come from your daytimers.

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

What date was that?

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

The last two dates were October 2, 1991, and December 1, 1991.

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

There's activity, let's put it this way. You were a registered lobbyist. You were lobbying on behalf of the Bear Head project for Mr. Schreiber. Correct?

Fred Doucet

Yes. Correct.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

And you expected some results would come from that?

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I had hoped.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Were you aware that Brian Mulroney, your good friend, had told Mr. Spector, his chief of staff, on December 16, 1990, that because of the cost of the Bear Head project it would be killed. Mr. Mulroney's words were, “It should be killed, it will be killed, it is done”. Were you aware of that at the time?

5:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I was not.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

So your good friend Mr. Mulroney did not tell you the Bear Head project was done, dead, in December 1990. You continued to rack up expenses and promises, for your client presumably, that it would live. It seems funny that at the end of it, in 1993 and 1994, Mr. Mulroney received a lot of cash.

Do you find that strange?

5:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

What did you do for your client in 1991, with all those meetings, if the project was dead anyway?

5:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

The client never told me the project was dead, nor did anyone else.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Your client didn't, but did Mr. Mulroney?

5:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

He didn't.

5:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Le président Liberal Paul Szabo

Mr. Ménard, please go ahead.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. Doucet, can you explain why the mandate that you prepared was not signed by Mr. Schreiber?

5:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

That was not the purpose of the mandate. The purpose of the mandate was not to have them signed. As you can see, there was no designated area or blank space intended for a signature.

It was only to memorialize what had been done in the past. There was no intention to have anybody sign it; at least it was not my intention.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

But it was really written as a mandate, and not as a memorandum, correct? That is how you wrote it.

5:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Exactly.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Thus, you wrote it with the intention of asking Mr. Schreiber to fill it out and sign it.

5:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

No, not to sign it, but to fill it out.