Evidence of meeting #15 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Lalonde  As an Individual
Greg Alford  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Richard Rumas
Fred Doucet  As an Individual

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

You weren't on your cell phone, because you didn't have one. You weren't looking out the window. You were sitting in a chair across from Mr. Schreiber. Is that correct?

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As an Individual

Fred Doucet

That's correct.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

The report given by Mr. Mulroney was one to one and a half hours, you told the committee. Is that correct?

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As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I said one to one and a half. I know we went in at around 11 o'clock, because that's when the meeting had been set for.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Mr. Mulroney was reporting on the trips to these various international destinations. You were there. You were part of the conversation, as it were--

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As an Individual

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

--at least close enough to hear everything that was going on.

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As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Absolutely.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Did Mr. Mulroney ever mention the name of any person who accompanied him when he made all of these trips?

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As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I don't recall that.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Sir, you must recall. Who went with Mr. Mulroney on these trips? Do you know?

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As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I have no idea.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Do you have any idea who he met with in the United States when he was doing this work?

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As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I don't have any particular memory of his mentioning the United States at that meeting.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Do you have any idea what the results of the discussion were with China?

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As an Individual

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

There was only France, China, Russia--no reports whatsoever, I gather, on the U.S. Mr. Mulroney had testified he had throughout the U.S.--

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As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I have no recollection--

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

What did they talk about for an hour to an hour and a half?

Fred Doucet

Well, there was a lot of to and fro between the two of them. There was an exchange of documents. Mr. Schreiber spent a good bit of time at that meeting talking about the specifics of some of the vehicles. I remember in particular his being very passionate about the armament protection--

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

But, sir, with due respect--

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Mr. Chairman, you asked him a question. Let him give the answer.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Yes, I know.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Well, I know you know. Let him answer.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you.

Do you have anything further to offer on that? I know that Mr. Schreiber is saying...but this is a report from Mr. Mulroney to Mr. Schreiber. I'm more interested in what Mr. Mulroney said to Mr. Schreiber--his one-hour report to Mr. Schreiber. It's important that we know.

You said it was an ongoing work when you talked about giving the last payment. It was for the ongoing work. I thought it was all over with. According to all accounts--the $300,000 or $225,000--that was it. But you described it as ongoing. Why did you describe it as ongoing work?