Evidence of meeting #15 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Lalonde  As an Individual
Greg Alford  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Richard Rumas
Fred Doucet  As an Individual

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Yes, I do.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Do you remember the name Mitterrand being mentioned?

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Yes, I do.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Okay. And that's about all you remember as far as specifics on Mulroney's part go.

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Yes, in terms of individuals.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Okay. That's not a really complete memory of a fairly important meeting.

There have been some discussions about this document you circulated, the February 4, 2000, document. This is trying to encapsulate what happened many years past, from 1993 to 1996, I believe. It's Mr. Schreiber's view of what happened after he was faced with some extradition problems, and it was also a codification, if you like, of what Mr. Mulroney may have done in the year--we have testimony--that he filed his tax return reporting all of this income.

So that's the context of this document in February 2000. Correct?

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Yes, I guess so.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

I'm going to take you back to when you started with Mr. Schreiber. Your evidence is that you began working for him in February 1990 and you stopped working for him around the end of 1992.

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Yes, that's correct.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

These aren't supposed to be trick questions yet. I'll let you know when the trick question comes.

There is an awful lot of activity in the daytimer of Mr. Schreiber, which has entries produced in 1991 of meetings with ministers. I'm going to go through the details of those. But before I do.... You were a successful lobbyist. Did you keep a daytimer or a calendar of events?

Fred Doucet

Yes, I kept daytimers.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Would you produce those for the period of April 1991 to the end of February 1992, on the proviso that your lawyer can go through them and black out any appointments that might identify people other than Mr. Schreiber and, I'll say, the Government of Canada? Would you do that for us?

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Mr. Schreiber's entries show that in April 1991 he met with Mr. Tellier and that in May 1991 you met with Mr. Tellier. Do you know who I mean by Paul Tellier?

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Absolutely.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

In May 1991 there's a meeting with Marcel Masse, Michael Wilson, and John Crosbie, which implicated you--

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Implicated?

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

You were there.

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I don't recall.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Okay.

On May 21, 1991, you met with Mr. Mulroney and you briefed Mr. Schreiber. Do you recall that?

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Give me the date.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

May 21, 1991.

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I'd have to check my daytimer.

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Okay.

On October 1, 1991, Mr. Schreiber says you called in the morning and you met with Mr. Mulroney in the parliamentary building here. You don't recall that?

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I'd have to check my--