Information & Ethics Committee on Feb. 12th, 2008

Evidence of meeting #15 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Study of the Mulroney Airbus Settlement

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Lalonde As an Individual

Greg Alford As an Individual

Clerk of the Committee Mr. Richard Rumas

Fred Doucet As an Individual

5:45 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

No, I'm sorry. If you got that interpretation, I think I provided the wrong interpretation. He was reporting on the ongoing work coming to that meeting.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

This is a final report.

5:45 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I have no idea if it was intended to be a final--

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

You don't know if it was a final report.

5:45 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I don't know that.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Do you have any idea of any person's name ever coming from Mr. Mulroney's lips about who was involved with any of this?

5:45 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I do not.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

You have no idea who his travelling companion or companions were?

5:45 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I don't know. I have no idea.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

You have no idea who he met with in China, at what level.

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

How many times are you going to ask the question? I've counted about six times.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Order.

Have you ever handed money to Mr. François Martin?

5:45 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Yes, in response--

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

How many times? More than once?

5:45 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

The honest answer is that I don't remember. I don't remember how many times. I can remember one time, but I don't remember whether there were any other times.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

What do you remember about the one time?

5:45 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I think it was the first time.

February 12th, 2008 / 5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

And what do you remember? Where did you get the money? Was it cash?

5:45 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

No, it came as a cheque made to Fred Doucet in trust, which I cashed and put in an envelope. I gave it to my secretary, and I asked her to call whoever at 24 Sussex would be available to come and--

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

And the cheque was from the PC Canada Fund?

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

Yes, it was.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Do you recall how much it was for?

5:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Fred Doucet

I think it was $5,000, but I wouldn't guarantee. I think it was $5,000.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you.

Mr. Murphy, please.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

I had the uniform on, wondering if I was going to get in the game. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

To follow up briefly, Mr. Doucet, on the report of 1994, I understand you don't remember it totally. Mr. Chairman was cross-examining you on it. But do you remember, in the one or one and a half hours, the name Yeltsin being mentioned?