Evidence of meeting #16 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Giorgio Pelossi  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Erica Pereira

9:55 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

It's just the case that they have the same initials, you see. He invented the story that it was for his wife, but Mr. Schreiber told me exactly that it was for Brian Mulroney. And I put BM. I didn't even know the name of the wife of Mr. Moores.

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

When Mr. Schreiber was before this committee, he told us that you stole money from him. I think he said it was about $3 million that you stole from him.

How do you respond to that accusation?

9:55 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

First of all, it was not $3 million; it was $1 million, and I was entitled to have it. At that time I was missing this piece of paper, therefore he said I stole it. But this piece of paper says I'm entitled to 20% of all the profits we made from Kensington and all those companies. It would probably be more like $3 million, $4 million, or $5 million.

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Thank you.

Mr. Chairman, I'll pass the balance of my time to Mr. Tilson.

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Sir, I have just one question.

You have said that Mr. Schreiber lies all the time. Why do you think that?

9:55 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

First of all, when we had a falling out he told everybody it had nothing to do with Kensington or IAL; it was not his company, it was somebody else's company, and such stories. That was one of the first times he began to lie. Now he's lying every time he tells you something. The only goal he has is to stay in Canada and not be deported to Germany.

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Okay. Thank you, sir.

I'm sorry, he wants to finish.

9:55 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Even this story here--it's an old story.

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

The whole story? Excuse me, sir. I didn't hear you.

9:55 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

The story of the $300,000 he paid to Mr. Mulroney is an old story, but he took it out only now because he was very anxious about being deported.

10 a.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

I just want to be clear I understand. Are you telling me what he told this committee on that particular subject of the $300,000 is not true?

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

No, no, I'm staying it's an old story. He brought it back from five or ten years ago.

10 a.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

There are all kinds of people making noises here. I want to make sure I understand what you just said.

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I just said that this story is an old story. He paid in 1993, and it was known for six or seven years that he paid Mr. Mulroney $300,000.

Do you understand what I mean? Now he's making it a big story.

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Okay.

Thank you.

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Do you understand?

10 a.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

I do indeed. I understand everything.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Mr. Pelossi, you have been holding up some papers and reading from others. I don't know whether it's possible, but it may be helpful for the committee to receive copies of some of the vital documents--for instance, the one you just held up. Is it possible for us to arrange with you to get copies of some of those documents?

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

If you write to me about what you want by e-mail, I will provide it to you. I just need the address to send it.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

That would be very helpful. Thank you kindly.

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I will make copies and send them to you.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you, sir. I appreciate it very much. It will be very helpful to the committee.

We'll now move to Mr. Mulcair, s'il vous plaît.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

Good morning, Mr. Pelossi. Thank you for assisting the committee with its work.

I want to come back to some dates to make sure we understood everything correctly. You said earlier that you met with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in June 1995. Is that correct?

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

The first time, yes. They came here, to Lugano.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

At that time, they did not film or record your conversation. It was at the second...