Evidence of meeting #16 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
Just to confirm that, Mr. Chairman, we must get that, and we'll discuss it later, but you must write a letter asking the RCMP to produce that.
Mr. Pelossi, you've said variously here that Mr. Schreiber is always lying, that you find that he is not credible. Is that right?
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
I'm going to suggest to you that you worked with and for this gentlemen from the late 1960s till July of 1991. You handled his business affairs, his day-to-day business affairs, and his accounting. At some point, from 1960 to 1991, you must have believed what he was telling you. You worked with him and for him.
As an Individual
Yes, and what you said was correct. At that time I think he didn't lie to me because he had no reason to lie.
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
Okay, so in and around 1986, when he's discussing who the money was to go to--
Liberal
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
When he got in trouble and he started pointing the finger around and one of those fingers pointed at you, he began to lie quite often. Is that your opinion?
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
All right. You looked off to one side, so I just want to be sure that you believed him when he said that half the money was going to go to Frank Moores and half of it was going to go to Brian Mulroney in and around 1986 when he said it to you. Is that right?
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
I want to ask you about the Bear Head project, which you indicated was in Newfoundland. I'll just give you a little geography lesson. It was proposed for Cape Breton.
Money was paid for the signing of a memorandum for that project of $1.9 million. What did you have to do with that money? You mentioned that you received the money. Is that correct?
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
And you said that Mr. Schreiber said some of it was to go to the manager of Bear Head or Thyssen in Canada. Was that Mr. Greg Alford? Was it any one of the MacKays? Who was it?
As an Individual
No, the only knowledge I had.... It was 500,000—I don't remember even if it was dollars or German marks—that he gave to Mr. Haastert, manager of Thyssen in Germany.
Conservative
Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Mr. Pelossi, you stated that Mr. Schreiber told you that some of the money was intended for Brian Mulroney, but do you know if any of that money ever made it to Mr. Mulroney?
Conservative
Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC
You're not sure if it made it, or you know it did not make it?
As an Individual
I am not sure, because I have no knowledge of what he made with the money.
Conservative
Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC
Right.
When IAL received the first commission payment from Thyssen, was that around October 1988?
Conservative
