Evidence of meeting #16 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Giorgio Pelossi  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Erica Pereira

Giorgio Pelossi

No, they did not do anything. They said that they could not question me about the facts. They just wanted to know whether I would be prepared to come and testify in Canada.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

You met them next in March 1996. Is that correct?

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes. First, they sent the letter of request to the Swiss police. The Swiss police seized all the documents at my home and sent them to the RCMP. Three or four months later, I came to Canada to testify, because they had all the documents.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

I see. So the testimony took place in March 1996.

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes, that is correct.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

Some material had been seized and a significant request made of the police in Switzerland at that time. Did they give you any detailed information about the reason the material was seized or why they required your testimony?

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As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

No. The reason was clear to me.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

I would like to start by finding out exactly what they said to you.

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As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I cannot remember exactly. The first time, all they asked was whether I would be prepared to come and testify. There had been some articles in the press in Europe—I do not know whether there had been some in Canada as well—and I said that I was prepared to come. Before I went, they had the documents seized at my home by the Swiss police.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

When the Swiss police seized the documents, did they say that they needed these documents at the request of Canada, for example?

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As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes. It was clear that there was a request from Canada.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

Regarding what matter exactly? Did they mention any individuals or did they just talk about a subject in general terms?

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As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

They spoke in general terms.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

What was the issue?

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As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

It was the payment of commissions by Airbus.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

I see. So the Swiss police seized documents at your place at the request of the Canadian authorities and they said that it had to do with payments by Airbus?

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As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

That did not come as a surprise to me.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

At the time, did you ask them, or did they tell you whether they had already spoken to Karlheinz Schreiber?

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As an Individual

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

It never came up, or they did not mention it to you?

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As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

They did not mention it to me, and I did not ask, either, but I thought that they had not spoken to Mr. Schreiber.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

You thought that they had not spoken to him. That is in fact the information we have today. We are still having difficulty understanding that. In your testimony, which we will eventually see because the chair will get it from the RCMP, will we hear you say the police should talk to Mr. Schreiber about particular matters? Did you give them any leads? Did you tell the Royal Canadian Mounted Police that it should talk to Mr. Schreiber?

10:05 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

No, that was not my role. It was not up to me to decide who they should hear from.

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

I have one last question before turning the floor over to my colleague Mr. Martin.

Has anyone ever spoken to you about another bank account known as Marc?

10:05 a.m.

As an Individual