Evidence of meeting #16 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.
A recording is available from Parliament.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
Mr. Pelossi, I have one brief question.
A lot of Karlheinz Schreiber's problems in Europe were not due to bribes or kickbacks to individual politicians, but to Helmut Kohl's political party. In fact, he gave a million Deutschmarks to the treasurer of the political party in a parking lot.
In any of the talk about taking care of Canadian political friends, was there any conversation about taking care of payments to the Conservative Party of Canada, not just Conservative politicians?
Liberal
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
Thank you.
Mr. Pelossi, I left off talking about the Bear Head project. It was for armoured personnel carriers to be built in Canada. Do you recall that?
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
The memorandum of understanding was signed by the Canadian government some time in 1988. Money was disbursed and you received the money. What did you hear of Bear Head after depositing the money some time in 1987-88?
As an Individual
I just remember that Mr. Schreiber was upset that things didn't go the way they should have.
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
From your point of view, after 1989-90, there was no further mention of Bear Head and of making light armoured personnel carriers in Canada by Thyssen.
As an Individual
No. At then end, he told me that General Motors would build the plant or would do business with the government and that they were out.
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
Over the course of your dealings with Mr. Schreiber, did you have a lot of contact with Thyssen officials?
As an Individual
Not a lot, but I had a few contacts.
I was in Dusseldorf--I don't know whether it is a main city. I was there once with Mr. Schreiber and I met Mr. Haastert a few times. I had phone contact with some officials at Thyssen about payment, invoices, and so on.
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
But you were very aware that Thyssen made personnel carriers in Germany?
Liberal
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
Does it surprise you that they would hire, or that Mr. Schreiber on their behalf would hire a former Prime Minister to sell vehicles to China, Russia, and France? Does that surprise you?
As an Individual
Because Mr. Schreiber told me from the beginning that he relied on Mr. Mulroney, as the Prime Minister, to use his influence to get the plant built in Newfoundland.
Liberal
As an Individual
But it was not for selling tanks outside of Canada. It was clear from the beginning that the armoured vehicles could be sold only in Canada and eventually in the United States.
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
Thank you.
You mentioned that you met Fred Doucet at the offices of GCI. Do you know when that was?
