Evidence of meeting #16 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Giorgio Pelossi  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Erica Pereira

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

You know who he is. How did you know about Stuart Iddles? Did Mr. Schreiber speak to you about Mr. Iddles, or did you know him through...?

10:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Mr Schreiber spoke to you about Mr. Iddles before 1991?

10:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes. Mr. Iddles had taken over. I believe he was the president or something of Airbus. He was Mr. Pailleret's successor, if I remember correctly.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

One of Mr. Schreiber's sub-accounts was know as Stewardess. Are you familiar with it?

Giorgio Pelossi

I heard about it through the German police.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

You had nothing to do, personally, with this account?

10:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I never knew that Mr. Schreiber had all those accounts. I found it out when I was questioned by the attorney in Oxford, who showed me the list and asked me whether I drew the same conclusions as he did. I said yes, that that was probably how it worked.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

When you went to the banks with Frank Moores, were you dealing with Mr. Moores as an individual or as the president of GCI? What was the relationship between Frank Moores and IAL?

10:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I would say that Frank Moores and Mr. Schreiber were very good friends.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

They were very good friends. Was there a business relationship between the company for which you worked, IAL, and Frank Moores' company?

10:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

The only direct relationship had to do with helicopters. There were some direct payments from MBB, Messerschmitt, to GCI, and they were deducted from the account, the commissions for IAL.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

IAL paid commissions to GCI.

10:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

IAL received commission from MBB. All these commissions were deducted from the direct payment that Messerschmitt, MBB, had made to GCI. There was a monthly fee. How do you say that in French?

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

I understand.

10:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Each month, they took $2,000 in fees, or something like that.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

They were retainers.

10:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I knew that, because they received the amount and transferred half of it to a company in Alberta owned by Mr. Schreiber—Bitucan.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Based on your experience, can you explain why Mr. Alford, who testified before the committee last week and was the president of GCI, could tell us that GCI had no business relationship with Airbus, when there is correspondence signed by Mr. Moores on GCI letterhead and it is addressed to Mr. Strauss?

10:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I read the letter somewhere in the newspapers.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Would you say that was a business relationship?

10:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I think so. Mr. Moores had a relationship with Mr. Strauss and with everyone. You know better than I that Mr. Moores was on the Air Canada board of directors for a while.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you.

I'd like to move now to Monsieur Ménard, s'il vous plaît.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As you know, Mr. Pelossi, Airbus denied paying commissions to Mr. Schreiber. If I understand correctly, you read the contract between Airbus and IAL, Mr. Schreiber's company. It that correct?