Evidence of meeting #16 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Giorgio Pelossi  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Erica Pereira

10:35 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes, it is a road marking company he had in Kaufering.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Bitucan is in Calgary.

10:35 a.m.

As an Individual

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Do you know the purpose of these companies?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Bayerische Bitumen-Chemie was a road marking company. Bitucan was a holding of Mr. Schreiber's in Alberta, because he had a lot of companies. At the time of the annexation in Edmonton, he had set up about 10 or 12 companies.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

As the accountant for Mr. Schreiber, were you involved with the accounting with regard to companies other than IAL and so on?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes, I followed all the companies in Canada.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

You followed all the companies in Canada.

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

He also had a company that did road marking called M.L.E.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Are you familiar with payments by Bitucan in 1988 to Fred Doucet Consulting International?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

If you were the accountant, would you have had information on the accounting within Bitucan?

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes, but I don't remember it.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

You don't remember.

Could you verify or confirm for us payments from Bitucan to Mr. Fred Doucet's consulting company if we gave you the details?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I'm not sure. I don't think I have the documents. His documents are all in Canada. When I was there, I reviewed those accounts. I don't think I have documents with me.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

I will get you, Mr. Pelossi, a copy of an invoice to Bitucan and a cheque paid by Bitucan in the amount of $90,000. I'm hoping that you will be able to find some aspect, or direct us, as to how we can see what this was for. It's just called “professional services”. This is a matter I'll be taking up with the committee this afternoon when we're in camera. I'll provide documents to the members.

Finally, Mr. Pelossi, did you ever have conversations with Mr. Schreiber about Airbus and the possible sale of Airbus aircraft to Air Canada?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Oh yes, a lot.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Were you kept apprised of the developments related to that proposal?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes. Mr. Schreiber informed me more or less. When something happened, he informed me.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Okay.

Do you know the chairman of the board, Mr. Jeanniot? Do you know that name?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

The chairman of the board. I think Claude Taylor was the CEO...the president? Mr. Jeanniot, he was a senior executive at Air Canada at the time. Mr. Jeanniot.

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

In any case, I have no knowledge of him.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

All right, you don't know. Okay.

Did Mr. Schreiber tell you at some point that 13 of the 15 members of the board of directors of Air Canada had been replaced by Mr. Mulroney?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

No. I remember he told me that Mr. Moores was elected to the board. But he didn't tell me that the whole board had been changed.