Evidence of meeting #16 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Giorgio Pelossi  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Erica Pereira

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

At the offices of GCI?

9:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes, I was once in Ottawa with Mr. Schreiber. We went to the offices of GCI, and I remember I also met Mr. Doucet--

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Was that a social meeting?

Giorgio Pelossi

Just a social meeting.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Just a social meeting.

To your knowledge, was Airbus involved with GCI? Do you know the company GCI that Frank Moores headed?

9:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Did they have involvement with Airbus, Thyssen, or MBB, but specifically Airbus, first?

9:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I don't know directly, but I know that Mr. Moores had.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Mr. Moores had some involvement with Airbus.

9:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes. Mr. Schreiber told me from the beginning that if the deal with Airbus was done, it would be through the lobbying of Mr. Moores and the help of Mr. Mulroney.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

With the help of Mr. Mulroney. And so when we see correspondence from Frank Moores on the letterhead of GCI, directly to Mr. Strauss, that confirms what you already knew from Mr....

9:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes, exactly.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Had Mr. Schreiber ever told you he would be making some of the money available in Canada for politicians?

9:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Did he name politicians?

9:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

At the time we set up the account, he told me that if the deal with Airbus was done, he would have to give 25% to Mr. Moores and 25% to Mr. Mulroney. I know now he didn't, but he was supposed to.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

He was supposed to, and that would have been in those two accounts.

Do you have any way of knowing whether Mr. Mulroney would have been aware of this?

9:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I don't know, no.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

You have no way of knowing that.

Did he ever tell you of people who would not have been politicians but might have been close to politicians, other than Mr. Moores, whom he was working with or would be contributing money to?

9:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes. I remember now. Previously, also, in Alberta he mentioned some people who gave some money.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Would they have been officials of the Canadian government, bureaucrats, or would they have been close associates?

9:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

No, they were officials of the Alberta government.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Of the Alberta government. Okay.

Thank you very much.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you.

Monsieur Ménard, s'il vous plaît.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

I understand you speak excellent French, Mr. Pelossi?