Evidence of meeting #16 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Giorgio Pelossi  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Erica Pereira

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Okay. Thank you kindly.

We'll now move to Mr. Thibault.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Pelossi, did you facilitate transfers to the PC Canada Fund, or did Mr. Schreiber talk to you about contributions to the PC Canada Fund?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Did you know a Mr. Charbonneau, who later became a senator?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

I want to talk about Air Canada board members. Do you know of any Air Canada board members having received cash, or talked about cash?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

No, I have no idea. With the exception of Mr. Frank Moores.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Mr. Moores, yes. You stated that earlier, thank you.

I want to bring you back to the Devon account. You and Mr. Moores went to the bank to set up the account. He specifically told you one was for him and one was for Mr. Mulroney. Is that right?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Mr. Schreiber told me, yes.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Mr. Schreiber told you, but Mr. Moores accompanied you.

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes, because he was the owner of the both accounts.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

He was the owner of both accounts, so he would be the only one who could withdraw money from either of those accounts?

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Did he put his wife as a trustee on one of those accounts?

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

He was the sole trustee on both of those accounts.

Did he at the time tell you where he got the name Devon?

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

No. I didn't ask him. Nobody told me anything about this.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Why would you--

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I remember that he put this name just to facilitate the identifying of both accounts. You see they are similar, one is 34107 and the other one is 34117. He just put this Devon to identify that as their account.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

If you had remained with the company, would you have had the responsibility of transferring money in those accounts, or would that have been done by Schreiber?

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

All the transfers to the subaccounts or the other accounts were done by Schreiber?

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes, I had no knowledge of this.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Let me put a hypothesis to you, Mr. Pelossi. Could it be possible that Mr. Moores was pulling a fast one on Mr. Schreiber?

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual