Evidence of meeting #16 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

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Giorgio Pelossi  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Erica Pereira

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Moreover, you went there with Mr. Schreiber. Did you make any payments? Did one of Mr. Schreiber's companies make any payments to GCI?

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Giorgio Pelossi

Not directly. I am only aware of payments by MBB or Messerschmitt, in the case of the helicopters. Otherwise, I don't know.

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

But MBB was part of the Airbus consortium.

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Giorgio Pelossi

Indirectly, yes.

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

MBB was part of it?

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Giorgio Pelossi

At this time, yes, but I believe that MBB was independent at that time. At any rate, the company was in Bavaria, and Mr. Strauss had influence there. I believe that he was the MBB majority shareholder in Bavaria.

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

You said earlier that MBB had paid retainers. I think we call that “provisions” in French.

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Giorgio Pelossi

They were deducted from the retainers, yes.

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

You said that when the Airbus commission began, the MBB retainers...

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Giorgio Pelossi

That related only to the helicopters. It had nothing to do with Airbus.

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

In your view, could Frank Moores' commissions have been paid to GCI?

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Giorgio Pelossi

I don't know. I have no idea.

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

You have no idea, nor do you know if the money from the secret commissions that we were talking about earlier, the $4.5 million, could have transited through GCI.

Have you ever met Mr. Mulroney?

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Apart from Frank Moores, who else at GCI have you met?

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Giorgio Pelossi

I don't remember, but I met four or five people the day I went there. I only went there once.

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

And those people did not go to Europe?

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Giorgio Pelossi

There were two lawyers who were brothers. I no longer remember if... Does Frank Doucet have a brother who is also a lawyer?

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Do you mean Frank Moores? I don't know.

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Giorgio Pelossi

No, not Frank Moores: Doucet.

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Yes, Fred Doucet has a brother whose name is Gérald Doucet, I believe. They call him Gerry.

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Giorgio Pelossi

That's it, they were there.

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Gerry Doucet was one of the...

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Giorgio Pelossi

I remember that there were two brothers and that they were both lawyers. So, it was them.

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Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Gerry Doucet was a GCI shareholder. So, they were there. And your meeting with them was strictly social in nature? It was not a business meeting?

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