Evidence of meeting #16 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Giorgio Pelossi  As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Erica Pereira

9:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

I don't remember. I remember only that the first payment was related to the land, that the Province of Newfoundland would give the land for free. The second payment was about this letter that was mentioned before, the letter of intent of the Canadian government to buy tanks.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

But you're not sure how much money was given?

9:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

No, no, both times it was $2 million.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

So it was a total of $4 million?

9:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

It was $2 million, yes--Canadian dollars.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

It was Canadian dollars; thank you.

You said that both times it was $2 million?

9:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes, one was $1.9 million, because $100,000 went to set up the Bear Head company. Schreiber set up the Bear Head company in his name.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Did that money come from the IAL account?

9:45 a.m.

As an Individual

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Did you handle the $2 million that was received from the Kensington Anstalt account?

9:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

No, the money went to IAL, not Kensington.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Right, but apparently some money went to Kensington Anstalt as well--$2 million.

9:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

It's possible, yes.

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Mr. Pelossi, in February 1986, when Frank Moores opened up a Swiss bank account, what was the purpose of these accounts? Do you know?

9:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

Yes, Schreiber told me that was in case we got the Airbus deal through. It was intended to put the money--the 25% each--in these accounts.

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Mr. Pelossi, you opened your testimony today indicating that you made a lengthy statement to the police.

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

We're also aware that the police here in Canada spent eight years investigating this matter. Do you have any new information to offer us now that was not available when you first testified before the police?

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

No, nothing new.

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Okay.

Thank you, Chair.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

We're going now to Madame Lavallée.

You have the floor.

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Thank you very much.

I am going to be speaking to you in French, Mr. Pelossi.

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

No problem.

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

You were the manager, a close associate of Karlheinz Schreiber from 1972 to 1991. Is that what you said?

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Giorgio Pelossi

That is correct, yes.