I'm a little confused, Mr. Thibault. Let me go back.
I had numerous conversations between these two men, both of whom are my friends. It was very distressing to see how acrimonious they became and how their relationship deteriorated. It culminated with Mr. Schreiber's appearance on the fifth estate. Mr. Mulroney was absolutely furious. He called me and said so. Mr. Schreiber also called me. Despite this, there was the suggestion that they could still work together. Mr. Mulroney indicated that there was no way he could be in any way supportive or helpful while this was on the record.
At some point during these acrimonious conversations—