Pat Martin at the Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics Committee

That's helpful. I appreciate that kind of clarity of answer.

So some public office holders had to be encouraged, if you will.

Brian Mulroney claims he had absolutely nothing to do with the choice of Airbus for Air Canada, yet he fired 13 out of the 15 members of the board of directors and planted 13 Conservatives in there, one of whom was Frank Moores. Do you think that was done to set up the purchase of Airbus?