Paul Szabo at the Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics Committee

I will remind you, Mr. Tilson, that when this matter came up twice before during previous hearings, I did make rulings with regard to members' rights, that allegations against members are not grounds for saying they're in a conflict of interest. I said so simply because everybody could have a lawsuit posed against them at any time and the entire committee would be disqualified from participating in these hearings. Allegations are one thing—