Evidence of meeting #40 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Richard Rumas

11:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Could you write it out for us and then pass a copy to the clerk, so that—

11:25 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Do you not want me to read it so that other members can hear it?

11:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

I want to be sure.

Do you have it all written out already?

11:25 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Well, it's changed, so I'd have to rewrite it.

11:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Okay. Could you rewrite it so that we're absolutely sure that whatever you say is what's there on paper?

11:30 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

I do think there would be a benefit to all members hearing it.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Yes, wonderful. Write it down and we'll hear it.

11:30 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Okay.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Excuse me, you're not signed into the committee.

11:30 p.m.

An hon. member

It doesn't matter, Mr. Chair.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Yes, it does, because we're in the middle of something else. You can't do it without the consent of the committee.

11:30 p.m.

An hon. member

I can, under Standing Order 119.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

No, no. I'm sorry, you need the consent of the committee.

11:30 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Mr. Chairman, if I could read to you Standing Order 119, it says:

Any Member of the House who is not a member of a standing, special or legislative committee, may, unless the House or the committee concerned otherwise orders, take part in the public proceedings of the committee, but may not vote or move any motion, nor be part of any quorum.

I would suggest, Mr. Chairman, that you look at that standing order.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you.

Colleagues, order, please.

We are having some difficulty, because I'm concerned that Madame Lavallée has not been able to get the amendments and subamendment in the language of her choice. I'm going to require that we have amendments and copies of proposed amendments circulated to members whenever we have these things. It's the only way to make the committee run efficiently, and we will try to get Madame Lavallée a quick translation. But this idea of dictating it on the fly is not working.

It's 11:30. I think we are probably hitting a point at which the committee has had a long day. Tomorrow is a very special day. And we do have a meeting on Thursday, from 3:30 to 5:30—or to the call of the chair.

I think at this point we need to have another break. It appears that we're going down a road that may not be in the best interests of the committee and I think of the parties. Because of the direction it's going in here, with amendments and subamendments, people may want to consider their own positions and have an opportunity to discuss them.

As a consequence, I think what I'm going to do is adjourn the meeting to the call of the chair, till Thursday at 3:30.

11:30 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chairman, do you have the authority to do that?

11:30 p.m.

An hon. member

Yes.

11:30 p.m.

An hon. member

Of course.

11:30 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Do we have witnesses on Thursday?

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

No.

We have Mr. Mulroney.

11:30 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Is he a public office holder?

11:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

11:30 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

He can't testify on Thursday. He's not a public office holder.

11:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

11:30 p.m.

An hon. member

Are we seeking witnesses?