Then I'll just pick on Mr. Hubbard, because it's the same philosophy.
My point is, sir, unless you can find some authority for this committee to deal with it, the argument that the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs is not sitting isn't justification for this committee to hear it. That's the argument that was used when we were having it out with Mr. Lee in the House on the Thibault matter, and we may have even had it here before, but that's not justification for this committee to hear it. There's no way it is. You have to find something in the Standing Orders to allow the ethics committee to hear it, and I submit, sir, you can't find it.