In fact, according to Mr. Walsh's letter, which all members have received, these are precisely the terms and conditions that apply to all witnesses who have a judicial proceeding going on that's relevant to this matter. Therefore, any deal that Mr. Lemieux has referred to is in fact not a deal. These are in fact the rules of Parliament as they exist and as they have been articulated by Mr. Walsh, the law clerk. So all of this nonsense and waste of the committee's time about cutting deals with people is simply to delay, deny, and deceive by the member.
Now I want to move to Mr. Proulx on the second--