Okay. Given that, the commissioner testified and on a number of occasions referred to the culture. I'm not referring now to government, or party, or partisanship; I'm referring to the absolute culture among some of the bureaucrats in the institutions. There is a culture of secrecy. I don't think anyone would disagree that things have slowed down because of that.
I'm really interested, Mr. Drapeau; you've painted a beautiful picture about compliance. But there is a reality, and I don't understand your aversion to a penalty, a serious penalty. Giving the commissioner the ability to deal with this without having to go to court means it gets reported.
In fact, I like Mr. Conacher's idea that you do get money docked from your pay. That's the only thing that will get anyone's attention.