Thank you, Chair.
Thank you to both of you for your testimony today.
Mr. Gogolek, I was interested in your comments on recommendation 11. That's the one about having direct access to the Federal Court around access refusals. You're concerned that there might be a better way of doing this, some administrative way or some more informal way, especially given the changes in the technological environment.
I wonder if you could say a bit more about that, about how not everybody has access to a lawyer--and nor should they in terms of appealing these access decisions?