I guess this committee is particularly sensitive to the issue. We're the oversight committee for it. But we've also just gone through this exercise with Karlheinz Schreiber. The lobbying in the old days, with sacks of dough, exceeds it. Nobody ever said back then that what Karlheinz Schreiber was doing was illegal lobbying. That was just the culture of Ottawa at the time. People with vested interests sought the favour of people in power who had the ability to do what they wanted. I don't know if that's really changed today, except that we have no evidence of sacks of money changing hands in secret meetings in hotel rooms. But everything else is pretty much exactly the same, except for the five-year cooling-off period.
We're also faced with a problem. A lot of people bolted when the getting was good and got in just under the wire. We know that in the Conservative ranks a memo went out. It said that if you want to lobby, you'd better get out now, because the law is going to change pretty soon. There was an exodus, a rush, of people who established themselves before the rules. Is there any satisfaction available to the Canadian taxpayer regarding that flurry of new lobbyists who set up shop just before you and the act had the ability to deal with them? They got away with it.