There has been a lot of discussion about whether ministers are in or out, when we talk about public office holders. I understand Mr. Siksay's question, because the certification process is different for ministers than for all other public office holders, who have a contractual relationship. The point is that ministers can't sue if they're let go or something like that. That's probably the differentiation.
So that everybody understands, the term “public office holders” includes ministers and goes all the way down, through all other order in council appointees. You can refer to footnote 14 in the document or you can print it from the PCO site, for greater certainty.
Mr. Del Mastro, you have the floor.