We're dealing with interference in terms of the access to information, and the allegations are quite serious and the penalties are quite serious, so I want to refocus members and the witness to the matter before us.
Minister, we agreed that you would be pertinent to the matter before us. You have to do your role and I think the committee members will have to do theirs, but I'm not going to.... If someone tries to goad you into going somewhere else, don't answer; we'll move somewhere else. Okay?
Madam Freeman, please.