Okay. Madam, as I've explained to the committee twice now, when you are in debate on a motion and there aren't scheduled party slots and so on, a member who is not a permanent member may speak provided there is no other permanent member who wishes to speak on the matter before us, or the committee votes to allow that other non-member to speak. In the case here, Madam, after Madam Foote, there were no other permanent members of the committee who had indicated to the clerk or to me that they wanted to speak. As a consequence, and as I explained to Mr. Hoback, that's one of the criteria under which a non-member is permitted to speak.
I thank you for raising it and allowing me to explain again, but the minister has the floor.