I'll make a brief response, only to say that I don't disagree with what the member has quoted. I could perhaps throw other quotes out as well, but I think there's a misunderstanding about what I said.
I agree that the ministers are responsible for “all”; the member put emphasis on that word. All I'm saying is that they're not the only ones who could be held responsible in front of the committee. Their staff could well be called as well.
So to say that they're responsible for all is not to say that they are the only ones responsible in the sense of being subject to being called in front of a committee. All I'm saying is that staff could be called in front of a committee, but there would be limitations on the questions that could be asked. There would be some questions that should properly be directed to the minister and not to the political staff person.