Thank you.
First of all, it's not a point of order.
Second, 67(1) in fact is a criminal offence, subject to criminal sanctions. I referenced 67(1) but didn't talk about any particular person. The issue is, if there is a wrongdoing--that's why I used the word “hypothetical”--by a political staff member, is there any circumstance under which another person could take the responsibility for it, if they had no knowledge but simply because they were the person in authority? It's the other part of the accountability.
Mr. Walsh, when you call a witness--and I'm curious about the justification for calling a witness--