Evidence of meeting #25 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was facebook.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jennifer Stoddart  Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

I will now call the meeting to order.

I want to welcome everyone here.

Bienvenue à tous.

This meeting, colleagues, was called pursuant to the Standing Orders. On the agenda today, we're going to hear from the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada in relation to the annual report of that office. The committee is very pleased to have with us Jennifer Stoddart, the Privacy Commissioner.

On behalf of all members of the committee, Ms. Stoddart, we want to thank you. I know that you've come before the committee on reasonably short notice and that you've had to rearrange your schedule, so for that we do want to thank you.

However, before hearing from Ms. Stoddart, I would like to deal with the minutes of the steering committee meeting held earlier today. Those minutes have been circulated. I will highlight them.

Basically, the minutes outline the recommended future business of the committee in dealing with the study on the street imaging application, the Google issue. There was a report, of course, issued by the Office of the Privacy Commissioner today, which I'm sure most members have not had an opportunity to read yet. The decision of the committee was to call back Google, invite back representatives from the Office of the Privacy Commissioner, and continue our discussion on the draft report on the study of street imaging, which is the same thing.

The decision was also to continue our discussion of possible committee reports. This is to deal with a report we did earlier on open government and proactive disclosure.

Last is a change to our routine motions. I'll read it:

The committee recommends that a member (Liberal) be added to the subcommittee and that the routine motion be changed accordingly. It is understood that the chair will not vote in a tie at any subcommittee meetings.

Those are the minutes. The chair will entertain a motion for their acceptance.

Go ahead, Madame Freeman.

3:30 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Freeman Bloc Châteauguay—Saint-Constant, QC

I'm sorry, but I didn't hear the motion.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Okay. The chair would entertain a motion to accept the minutes of the steering committee.

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Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

I have a comment.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

It has to be moved first.

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NDP

Bill Siksay NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

I'll move it.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

It is moved by Mr. Siksay. Is there any discussion?

Go ahead, Mrs. Davidson.

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Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

It was my understanding that the wording was that the chair would be a non-voting member of the steering committee, not that he would just not vote on a tie, but that he would be a non-voting member.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

But I will attend...?

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Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Oh, absolutely. You're the chair.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

The chair will be a non-voting member. That's right. That's fine.

With that amendment, is there any other discussion? All in favour?

(Motion as amended agreed to--[See Minutes of Proceedings])

Thank you very much.

We're now going to go back to the business at hand, and that is to hear from the Privacy Commissioner. She has circulated her opening comments.

I'm going to turn the floor over to you, Ms. Stoddart.

3:30 p.m.

Jennifer Stoddart Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

It's a pleasure to be back before this committee after the summer recess. I welcome this opportunity, because since I've last been before you, I have released two annual reports to Parliament. The topic for today is the findings in my two annual reports.

First of all, Mr. Chair, the annual report on the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act, known as PIPEDA, Canada's private sector privacy law, was tabled in June of this year. As you will also recall, Mr. Chair, we presented our most recent annual report to Parliament on the Privacy Act just two weeks ago.

Over the next few minutes, I propose to offer to the committee some highlights from those reports and some highlights of our work over the past year. Then I would be happy to take all the questions members of the committee may have.

First is the Privacy Act annual report. I will mention parenthetically for the new members of the committee that the Office of the Privacy Commissioner administers two privacy laws, one in the public sector and the other, the more recent, in the private sector. I'll start with the report on the one on the public sector, which is the one we released in September.

The Privacy Act report of September traced our efforts to safeguard privacy rights in the face of two key challenges: rapidly evolving information technologies and the pressures of national security and public safety measures. On the whole, it is safe to say that most public servants take good care of the personal information entrusted to them by Canadians.

Still, and unfortunately, there were some exceptions. One complaint to our office, for instance, involved the unauthorized access by Canada Revenue Agency employees to the tax records of prominent Canadian athletes. While such a breach cannot be undone, it did lead the Canada Revenue Agency to update its audit capabilities to better control access to personal information.

I now want to talk about wireless and disposal audits. The annual report also summarized two privacy audits we undertook during the year.

One found significant shortcomings in the way government institutions dispose of surplus computers, with many still containing sensitive data. We also discovered that documents are shredded by private contractors without the necessary degree of government oversight.

A second audit of the use of wireless networks and mobile devices of five federal departments and agencies uncovered numerous gaps in policies and practices that could put the personal information of Canadians at risk.

I will now move on to Veterans Affairs. Just a few weeks ago, we announced plans to conduct another privacy audit—this one of privacy policies and practices at the Veterans Affairs Department. This, as you know, was sparked by concerns that came to light during our investigation of a complaint launched by a veteran who has been an outspoken critic of the department.

Our investigation determined that the veteran's sensitive medical and personal information was shared—apparently with no controls—among department officials with no legitimate need to see it. The information then made its way into a ministerial briefing note about the individual's advocacy activities, something I deemed entirely inappropriate.

We are still working out the scope of the audit. We hope, though, that it will provide guidance as the department implements the recommendations stemming from our investigation.

In June, we also published our findings in an important audit on the private sector side. This one was triggered by a string of serious data breaches among Ontario mortgage brokers that compromised the personal information of thousands of Canadians. Our audit under PIPEDA found that the breaches caused several of the brokerages to take further steps to better protect personal information.

And yet, we determined they had not gone far enough. Indeed, our audit raised concerns about data security; the haphazard storage of documents containing personal information; inadequate consent by clients; and a general lack of accountability for privacy issues.

The audit was summarized in the PIPEDA annual report, which also highlighted the challenges of enforcing privacy rules in a world where data flows readily and instantly around the world.

I would like to talk now about Google Buzz and a bit of our international work.

We recognize that addressing this global challenge will demand agility and resourcefulness on the part of all privacy authorities. That is why, when Google disregarded privacy rights in the rollout of its Google Buzz social networking service last February, we opted for an innovative alternative to our conventional tools of audit and investigation.

Instead, we led nine other data protection authorities from around the world in an unprecedented--and I think highly effective--tactic: the joint publication of an open letter that urged Google and other technology titans entrusted with people's personal information to incorporate fundamental privacy principles directly into the design of new online services.

We are engaging with global partners in numerous other ways as well. Last month, for instance, we joined other data protection authorities from around the world to establish the Global Privacy Enforcement Network, which aims to bolster compliance with privacy laws through better cross-border cooperation. Later this month at an international conference of data protection privacy commissioners, I will be co-sponsoring a resolution that would see privacy considerations become embedded into the design, operations, and management of information technologies--or at least that is the wish.

A couple of our other files are of great interest to many Canadians: Google Wi-Fi and Facebook. Just this morning, we released our preliminary findings in an investigation of Google's collection of Wi-Fi data by a camera car shooting images for the company's Street View mapping application. We have learned that while collecting Wi-Fi signals, Google had also captured personal information, some of it highly sensitive. The collection appears to have been careless and in violation of PIPEDA. We are making several recommendations that would bring Google into compliance with Canadian law and help safeguard the privacy of Canadians.

But Google isn't the only major technology giant we have had concerns about during the past year. In September, we were able to wind up an investigation of Facebook that was heavily publicized last year. In 2009, Facebook agreed to make certain changes to its site, which took a year to fully and satisfactorily implement. This concluded lengthy and intensive discussions between my office and Facebook, which eventually led the social networking company to significantly boost the privacy protections available on its site.

As we look ahead, I'm looking forward to many other initiatives to strengthen the privacy rights of Canadians. You will, of course, be familiar with two pieces of legislation currently before the House that are of particular interest to my office.

Bill C-28, called FIWSA in English, the anti-spam legislation, would give us important powers to control which cases we investigate and permit the sharing of information for the purposes of enforcing Canadian privacy laws. Earlier I mentioned the Global Privacy Enforcement Network, the group of data protection agencies who together are working toward ensuring better compliance. For us to be an effective member, we need the ability to share information with our international counterparts when necessary, and the provisions in this bill will assist in making that possible.

Bill C-29, meanwhile, would amend PIPEDA to, among other things, make breach notification compulsory for private sector organizations. Over the longer term, we welcome the next statutory review of PIPEDA. We will be publishing in the near future a draft report on the comprehensive public consultations that we hosted this spring on such cutting edge topics as tracking people's online activities by companies, and cloud computing. While this report is not our contribution to the PIPEDA review, the consultations raised issues that we will need to focus on for that review, which starts in 2011.

On the public sector side, we continue to advocate for a long overdue modernization of the Privacy Act, which was passed in 1982. Some of you may remember that 1982 was the year that the first affordable home computer, the Commodore 64, hit the market, and we lined up at movie theatres to watch E.T.

We're also working with experts to develop privacy policy guidance documents for decision-makers working in four key areas. The first, focused on national security, should be ready for publication in the near future, with others to follow in the areas of information technology, genetic technology, and identity integrity.

I hope, Mr. Chair, that I have been able to give you an overall sense of our activities over the past year. I would be happy to respond to your questions.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Thank you very much, Ms. Stoddart.

We're now going to go to the first round.

You have seven minutes, Ms. Bennett.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Thank you very much.

Commissioner, I think your report on the Veterans Affairs department was certainly one of the most alarming reports that Canadians have seen. I feel that in your commentary on it, you feel that this may not be just in this one department, that it may indeed be the stock in trade of diminishing the reputation of people who criticize this government.

In fact, last week I heard from an injured worker in British Columbia who, because of his workers' compensation status, was being denied mental health access to regular care in British Columbia. It was a very straightforward letter of complaint about this practice and against the Canada Health Act. He was called back from the health minister's office, the Health Canada office, and the person seemed to have every detail of his situation in terms of his relationship with the Workers' Compensation Board of British Columbia.

I will write to you under separate cover for this, but it did make me feel again that it seems that if anybody complains, this government feels it's perfectly okay to open their files and discredit them.

What are you going to do to find out whether these two well-publicized ones in Veterans Affairs are just the tip of the iceberg?

3:45 p.m.

Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

First of all, thank you for the question, honourable member.

I had said very generally that this may be happening in a wider area than Veterans Affairs. It is, of course, a concern of mine, because we reported, for example, that a couple of years ago--this took place a couple of years ago--Canada Revenue Agency civil servants were looking into the tax files of well-known sports authorities, so this is not unknown. I don't have any indication, either personally or institutionally, that this is a widespread practice, but rather that it is an unusual practice.

What are we going to do? First of all, we are going to do our audit of Veterans Affairs and probably report, depending on the timing, directly to Parliament. Second, I'd be very interested if you wrote me outside this discussion today, and we would look into the details of what you relate in your letter.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

In terms of the need for reform of the Privacy Act, in your commentary and in your final comments here and at international conferences where you have presented, did you have an outline of what would be required in a revision of an act in order for you to be able to do your job properly?

3:45 p.m.

Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

Yes, we did. We made some 14 recommendations to this committee several years ago. This committee looked at the matter in quite some detail, received quite a few witnesses--perhaps 15 witnesses--and came out with a report. The committee supported, as I remember, two-thirds of the recommendations that I made.

However, the Minister of Justice replied that he was not proceeding with reforms to the Privacy Act at that time and encouraged us to look for administrative approaches to privacy problems with the government, so this is what we're doing in lieu of reform of the Privacy Act.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Could you give us some international examples? Since the advent of the Internet, of searchable data--since the advent of the Commodore 64, when this act was written--what have other countries done?

3:50 p.m.

Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

Well, most countries either have much newer legislation for the private sector or are contemplating major reforms to it.

I take countries whose legislative models often look like ours. The law in Great Britain, for example, dates from perhaps 2003 and is much more suitable, I think, for contemporary issues. The Australian Law Reform Commission has suggested major revisions to the Australian law, some of which I believe are in effect, but I could't give you any details right now. The European Union is looking at reworking its 1995 directive, which basically governs the privacy parameters for all of the European Union. Within that club, to have a law that dates from 1983 means that we have to be very creative in trying to modernize it.

Fortunately, our other law, PIPEDA, dates from 2000 and has a five-year review, so it's a little easier to work with in terms of modern challenges.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

In your testimony at the industry committee, you said that you'd not been consulted at all in the decision to scrap the mandatory long-form census. You also said that you'd had very few complaints over the last decade on the so-called intrusion or language. Have you had more complaints since this ongoing mantra of “intrusive and coercive”?

3:50 p.m.

Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

To the best of my knowledge, we haven't received a complaint since June on this topic. I believe we have received some inquiries. I'd have to check that, but we don't have any new--

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Would it be normal that you would be consulted on a government initiative that was supposedly about privacy and privacy complaints?

3:50 p.m.

Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

Only in the context of a privacy impact assessment. We're not consulted regularly.

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Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Are you comfortable that Statistics Canada data is totally anonymous and that it cannot be tracked to the individual?

3:50 p.m.

Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

I am confident now because the rules.... In fact, this was a case that we appeared in at Federal Court. It is now possible, with so much public information out there, that in access to information requests.... This was a case involving drug trials and information gathered by Health Canada. We appeared in order to agree with the Information Commissioner that some fields had to be blocked out; otherwise, the identity of one of the participants in the drug trial could be identified.

Of course, when the Information Commissioner gets such a request, it's referred back to Statistics Canada, and they weigh in. They're very cognizant of the increasing challenges of data-matching with all the information that's out there now.