Maybe I could also comment. We're lucky. At our office we have both the provincial and municipal levels, so we have a little flavour of both. I think at the provincial level in Ontario there has been an admirable attempt and a lot of effort made to strengthen the formal process. I gave you some examples, and there are lots of those.
I think what this will now take is to say that's the formal process but that's not the default position. Government disclosure of information doesn't have to rely on an access to information request. In fact, that should be the exception. But I think that's coming.
I think it's interesting that the examples of governments that are doing this well in Canada tend to be at the municipal level. I don't know why that is. Whether they are more nimble and they can turn things around...I don't know. Maybe it's the type of information they make available. I don't know that the mayor of Toronto knew what he was doing when he said we're committed to open government, but his staff went with it and they have done some remarkable things.
As both of my colleagues have said, let staff loose and let them get at this and get the job done.