I think we have a serious problem here in terms of the role of a parliamentary secretary. They're not designated public office holders, yet they have, depending on the minister, access to the minister, the department, all the senior officials. They sit and chat with the minister, so if an individual or a lobbyist is really pushing a specific project, they can go to the parliamentary secretary and in a roundabout way bypass the Lobbying Act. Is that not correct, you're just going through a third party?
