Perhaps I could come back to you, Karen. I have one last question for Ian, and I don't want to be cut off. I promise I'll give you any time I have left.
Mr. Morrison, you indicated that this CBC president has continued a transparency avoidance that you've seen in the past. You submitted some access to information requests and got some redacted responses. You think there are better examples--the way the BBC is operating, for instance--than what we've seen.
You also talked about how the CEO isn't accountable to anyone. The board doesn't have the power to hire and fire the CEO.
I just have one more question. The CBC ombudsman reports back to the president of the CBC. Doesn't that kind of mean it's a loop back to the exact same position? Like, if you want to find some kind of....
If you're trying to follow this through, it just seems like it's an end loop back around to the exact same point--that is, you're going to be frustrated on your access to information requests and that's just the way it is.