Right. I guess I'd go back to my earlier question, which was to ask whether you think people know what lobbying is.
Most people don't have a good idea of what lobbying is. To assume that what they're doing is not lobbying.... I think you're putting a burden on folks who don't have an idea what constitutes advocacy or lobbying.
I think advocacy, lobbying, government relations are all the same. Advocacy groups are often speaking more about the public sector. Where is the government going to invest funds? How is it going to invest those funds? How might it invest funds better or what have you? Lobbying tends to be more in the private sector; they're talking about the impacts of government on the private sector.
Ultimately, as far as the government is concerned, it's the same thing. It doesn't matter if it's the government spending money or the government reducing a taxation impact—for example, some of the things we did for manufacturing on accelerated capital costs; it's the same ultimate impact on government one way or the other.
But I do think it's perceived differently by the public. You may capture some folks who don't consider themselves lobbyists, but then again a lot of folks don't really know what lobbying is either.