John Carmichael at the Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics Committee

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Jordan, for your testimony today.

I'd like to go back to a couple of comments you made in your opening statements related to board governance, because I would like to better understand. When we talk about advocacy, government relations, and lobbying, then you look at corporate boards.... From Rotman, you certainly have exposure to the ICD program--