Thank you.
There have been very interesting presentations this morning. I guess one of the things we've been wrestling with is trying to define lobbying so that we have transparency, because if everybody's a lobbyist, then nobody's a lobbyist. That's the concern we have as New Democrats. If everybody who ever comes into my office is treated as a lobbyist, then how's anybody going to go through all the thick woods and figure out who actually is doing the serious business, which is the issue of access to power? That seems to be the fundamental question that has to be addressed.
Mr. Chenier, you talked about how it shouldn't be about friends at a party.
Madame Yates, you talked about the cynicism and suspicion out there.
Mr. Chenier, how do we set up a system? It's never going to be perfect, but it shouldn't be about friends at a party who can make a call and open those doors. That seems to be where we, time and time again, get caught up. Do we have to sweep up every single person in this net to do that, or is there a way we can focus in on ensuring that some people just don't have excessive amounts of access?