--and of course the Liberal Party, to try to steal power after losing an election. I remember that.
I don't think those meetings were entirely public, were they, Charlie?
Of course, we know that obviously quite a few secret meetings have occurred with respect to the union sponsorship of the NDP convention and what went on with the NDP filibuster last spring, where all of your talking points were being handed to you by a third party. I think there were a lot of secret meetings involved with that. The NDP doesn't come clean with that.