Evidence of meeting #58 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was twitter.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Laura Pirri  Legal Counsel, Twitter Inc.
Jennifer Barrett Glasgow  Global Privacy and Public Policy Executive, Acxiom

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Mayes Conservative Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Previous testimony by a lawyer was that the disclosure and the customer agreeing to certain conditions of the use can't be concise because there are so many legal things that have to be covered. Quite often, people just go through it and say “I agree”; they don't read it.

Has your company made any effort to try to be a little bit more simplistic in your consent that you provide to people? I really think the big issues are the collection of data, the marketing of data, and also the term of the retention of the data. Those are the three big ones, I think, for customers. Have you been able to do anything with regard to that?

4:25 p.m.

Legal Counsel, Twitter Inc.

Laura Pirri

Yes, and perhaps it's not surprising that since we're a service that's about simplicity and 140 characters, we do favour brevity. We've taken great pains to try to make our privacy policy shorter than many, and we are very user-friendly in the language we use.

We also think it's important for users to have access to more information about certain features, so we'll link from our policy to the help pages, which have additional specifics. Then, as I mentioned, we also provide additional disclosures in the context, in the product, so that the user doesn't have to dive into some long privacy policy and find the exact section where the company is treating your information is mentioned.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Mayes Conservative Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Do you have any recommendations for the committee—your thoughts, through your experience—on ways in which we can ensure that customers' privacy is protected not only in the delivery of your service but also in other services?

4:25 p.m.

Legal Counsel, Twitter Inc.

Laura Pirri

I would certainly say that our experience—for example, with the product launch I mentioned—really was doing privacy by design. We did it in a very collaborative way with the U.S. FTC and with others in the privacy community.

Being able to have that kind of back-and-forth relationship as we went through the product development cycle was extremely useful. We felt we could be really open and candid. We got a lot of feedback through that product development cycle that we incorporated, such that the final product we launched was different from the one we were thinking about when we went into it at the beginning.

Having that kind of input and engagement is really useful in making sure that you don't miss things, and that when you're trying to do the right thing you're able to execute it, and you don't have any surprises down the road.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pierre-Luc Dusseault

Thank you. Unfortunately, your time is up.

The last few minutes of our first hour will go to Mr. Larose.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Jean-François Larose NDP Repentigny, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you to our guests for being here. I appreciate it.

I am also on Twitter. As well, I am a member of Parliament who believes in the democratic process around the world, in the free flow of information and in freedom of expression. This is very important. It helps us improve our world and our planet, but at the same time, it raises some questions for me.

I've been listening to you from the beginning, and I have some concerns. I'm thinking of the role Twitter played when some regimes were challenged. It was a passive participation, but the free flow of information weakened some regimes. You are not the only ones, because there are other networks.

You have been very successful and you have been a victim of your own success. Given how much you have expanded, have you brought about mechanisms to protect yourself from people who are very disturbed by your very existence and who might engage in computer attacks? Of course, I am referring to what happened in January and May 2009 with regard to certain individuals. In that case, individuals were involved, but my question has to do with much bigger actors, who have a lot more money.

Do you want me to say it in English?

4:25 p.m.

Legal Counsel, Twitter Inc.

Laura Pirri

No, I'm just trying to make sure that I understand.

Is your concern about certain communications or is there...?

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Jean-François Larose NDP Repentigny, QC

Have you put mechanisms in place to protect yourselves?

4:25 p.m.

Legal Counsel, Twitter Inc.

Laura Pirri

Do you mean protect Twitter, as a company?

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Jean-François Larose NDP Repentigny, QC

Yes.

4:25 p.m.

Legal Counsel, Twitter Inc.

Laura Pirri

What do we need to protect it from?

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Jean-François Larose NDP Repentigny, QC

I mean protect it from cyber attacks.

4:25 p.m.

Legal Counsel, Twitter Inc.

Laura Pirri

Oh, so you mean security-related?

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Jean-François Larose NDP Repentigny, QC

Yes. I don't mean individuals, but bigger actors around the world, because you are becoming global.

4:25 p.m.

Legal Counsel, Twitter Inc.

Laura Pirri

I see. Absolutely.

As we grow and become bigger, security and having secure systems are enormous priorities for the company. Security has actually been a priority for the company in the last couple of years, as we've been scaling up just to handle the enormous volume of tweets we've had. We have just had to scale our infrastructure, and part of scaling the infrastructure is also making sure that it's very secure. As I mentioned, we have a dedicated team in San Francisco constantly looking at these issues and trying to make sure that the service is protected against spam or against any particular security threats.

Certainly that is something for us to be thinking about.

4:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pierre-Luc Dusseault

I would like to ask a brief question before we conclude.

4:30 p.m.

Legal Counsel, Twitter Inc.

Laura Pirri

Of course.

4:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pierre-Luc Dusseault

I would like to use my prerogative as chair to ask you a question, but also in my capacity as a Twitter addict.

I'd like to talk about the pictures that are on Twitter. Once they are up, do they belong to you? If users publish pictures, do they still have rights to those pictures?

4:30 p.m.

Legal Counsel, Twitter Inc.

Laura Pirri

I see.

You retain the rights to the content that you submit to the service, as is written in our terms of service. You do give us permission, so you give us a licence, to distribute it on the service.

This is an issue that Twitter is actually litigating in a court in New York at the moment. A court found that a user did not have standing to contest the provision of their personal information, because the user didn't have any right to or interest in the contents of their Twitter account. So Twitter said, “No, as a matter of fact, under our terms of service, users do retain the right to the content—so their content, including their photos—that they submit to the service”.

4:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pierre-Luc Dusseault

Thank you very much for your testimony.

Our time is up, and we will now suspend our meeting for a few minutes. We will then start the second hour, during which we will hear from our second witness via videoconference.

Thank you once again for having appeared before the committee, it was greatly appreciated.

4:35 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pierre-Luc Dusseault

We will now begin the second part of the meeting.

I have the pleasure of introducing Ms. Barrett Glasgow. She is a spokesperson for Acxiom and is speaking directly from Washington, DC.

We will proceed the same way we did earlier. The witness will have 10 minutes to make her presentation, and then there will be a question and answer period with the committee members.

So without further ado, I would like to welcome Ms. Barrett Glasgow and I would like to thank her for being here. Ms. Barrett Glasgow, you have 10 minutes.

4:35 p.m.

Jennifer Barrett Glasgow Global Privacy and Public Policy Executive, Acxiom

Thank you.

Chairman Dusseault, Vice-Chairman Andrews, Vice-Chairwoman Davidson, and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to share Acxiom's perspective. Also, thank you for the opportunity to do it via video conference.

First, let me say that, as a global company, protecting privacy has been a priority for Acxiom for decades especially in countries unlike Canada where the laws do not cover all of the uses of personal data. We as a company pride ourselves on following all the legal obligations in each country where we source data. I also want to point out that when consumer data is properly used it can make significant contributions to the economy, and the growth and stability of an economy.

For 40 years Acxiom has been a market leader in responsibly providing innovative, computerized marketing services and a complementary line of data products to help our clients deliver better products and services smarter, faster, more cost effectively, and with less risk. Our global revenues are in excess of $1 billion annually. Our computerized marketing services are over 80% of worldwide revenues and our data products are less than 20%.

While in other countries we do provide a wider range of products and services, in Canada we only provide business and consumer telephone directory products amounting to just under $1.5 million in annual revenue. Acxiom does not have a physical presence in Canada. Instead, we deliver and support our Canadian business from our headquarters in Little Rock, Arkansas, here in the U.S.

Acxiom's Canadian business and consumer directories are licensed to companies and non-profit organizations for their internal use as an automated and inexpensive form of directory assistance or for direct mail and telemarketing purposes. Our directories are also licensed to companies that host directory search engines on the Internet for both consumer and commercial use. In these instances Acxiom's listings may be merged with telephone listings from other sources by our client. Many of the sites that license our directories display on the side the reference, “Data by Acxiom”. Our clients receive updated replacement directories on a periodic basis, some monthly, some quarterly, and others less frequently. These directories contain published business and consumer listings from printed telephone directories and additional listings available from directory assistance. They also contain Canadian census data that has been appended to the listings. We also flag all consumer records that have registered with the Canadian Direct Marketing Association through their do-not-call and do-not-mail suppression services. All clients who use the directory for telemarketing purposes must also use the Canadian national “do not call” list to block calls if the company does not have an existing business relationship with the consumer.

For our Canadian consumer directory, we offer consumers the ability to have their listing removed or, in other words, opt out, at no charge. For our Canadian business directory we offer the ability to remove or correct an inaccurate listing at no charge. In addition, if the business so requests, for a fee, we will publish a corrected yellow or white page listing to all our clients who get our business directory. Business owners and consumers can contact us by calling our consumer care department at a 1-877 number here in the U.S., which works in Canada. They can also opt out of our directory products by going online to Acxiom's corporate website, www.acxiom.com, and completing an opt-out request form. We also ask any client who uses our data to refer a consumer to us who asks about the source of the data. Opting out removes the listing from the next monthly maintenance cycle for the directory and our clients receive the update in their next scheduled update cycle. We also inform consumers who want to have their data removed from the Internet that they should contact the directory search engines directly. If they want their data removed more quickly then the site will receive an update from Acxiom.

This is a wise step to take, because there are other providers of such directories, and the search engine may not have gotten the listing exclusively from Acxiom.

As I hope our comments illustrate, Acxiom has a culture of respecting consumer privacy, and where laws exist, of honouring the obligations the law places on us and our clients in using personal data. Informational hearings such as this one are very helpful in informing all parties about how personal information can be appropriately used.

Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the opportunity to appear here today and am available to provide any additional information the committee may request.

Thank you.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pierre-Luc Dusseault

Thank you for being here.

And now, we will hear from Mr. Angus for a seven-minute turn of questions and answers.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Madam Barrett Glasgow, for joining us today. We are very pleased to have you at our study.

As you know, this parliamentary committee is looking at the issue of new media, primarily social media, and the data information being put out there. How is it being collected, and how are we protecting privacy rights without being overly intrusive? If data is compromised, all manner of criminal acts can happen against individuals.

We're very pleased that you are being represented today. Your company has been called “Big Brother in Arkansas”. You are the biggest data broker in the business. Is that correct?

4:40 p.m.

Global Privacy and Public Policy Executive, Acxiom

Jennifer Barrett Glasgow

I don't know that we're the biggest, but we are one of them, certainly in the U.S.