I guess the issue in terms of the word “apparent” is that the line could be used—and it was used with Mr. Jaffer's case and Bruce Carson's—that they weren't successful in lobbying, so there wasn't a problem. The only way you could have a real conflict is if they actually were successful, but it's the issue of stopping that lobbying, the importance of public office holders knowing that there's a line that has to be maintained, and, again, 95% of the lobbyists are going to follow the rules, but it's the ones who aren't following the rules that we have to make sure of. How important is that word apparent in terms of keeping the line very clearly drawn?
On March 4th, 2013. See this statement in context.