I'll take a recorded vote.
I am struggling to see what possible justification you could have, Mr. Calandra, for asking that this particular item of business be moved in camera. The in camera rule, as I understand it, is that it's to be used in cases of national security, invasion of privacy, commercial interests. It's not supposed to be the default position to save embarrassment to the government.
In my view, as the chair of this committee, it's been abused egregiously and throughout all of the standing committees, and I certainly don't want the public to think that this is normal in any way, shape, or form, because we can never allow it to become normal. It's a disgrace. In fact, it's a travesty.
I have no trouble controlling this meeting. We're having a good debate about a very important subject, Mr. Calandra, the public's right to know.