Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you all for being here.
Mr. Fernandez, one of the hats I wear is Canadian co-chair of something called the Canada-U.S. Permanent Joint Board on Defence. Our mandate is to advise on defence and security issues for North America writ large.
One of the areas of our concern is cyber: cybersecurity, cybercrimes, cyber-espionage, cyberterrorism. When you consider all the things we do that depend on software, which is pretty much all the things that we do, the potential for shutting us down, as you said, is enormous. It was done in Estonia, in Georgia, other places.
You mentioned we are losing the battle. I don't think you were talking about this specifically, but I think you have looked at this area somewhat. Without getting into anything classified, would you say we're losing the battle there, too, and if so how can we stop losing that battle?