Just building on what John was saying, the stiffer penalties, I think, are important because there is a perception that this is a faceless crime. It's benign. There are no real victims at the end of the chain. But there are, and as we've talked about, the costs are huge. The fines should bear, of course, correlation to what the costs are to society.
On May 27th, 2014. See this statement in context.