Well, I don't think exempt staff in the minister's office should be part of the process, but let's face it; we hope shortly to have ministers' offices and the PMO covered by the act, so they're involved.
I'll give you the example of Minister Dion and the Saudi Arabia case, wherein he claims he couldn't interfere with the access process, nor could his staff. Well, yes he can interfere, not to create more exemptions, but he can order his staff, in his discretion—particularly if it's a discretionary exemption, as in these documents for national security—to release more.
The minister's office can play a very positive role, not an interfering role in the sense of repression and so on. I agree with the gentlemen, the corporate lawyers in Montreal, that the fact of the matter is you still need a review process. Without a review process, without transparency, it looks rather fishy.