Thank you. I want to step in here.
One of the concerns I've been hearing from citizens in Toronto is about the need not just for privacy by design but democratic engagement by design; if this is a city, they're citizens' public spaces. We have a problem. We have a provincial government that is at war with the City of Toronto and has trashed a number of councillors, so there's a democratic deficit. We see Waterfront Toronto in an in-between place with a province that may be against it. We see the federal government continually dealing with this through Google lobbyists, so there are a lot of backroom dealings.
Where is the role for citizens to have engagement? If we're going to move forward, we need to have democratic voices to identify what is public, what is private, what should be protected and what is open. In terms of the other big players, we're dealing with the largest data machine company in the universe, which makes its money collecting people's data, and they're the ones who are designing all of this.
I'd like to ask you that, Dr. Cavoukian—I don't have much time, maybe one minute—and then Dr. Geist. Then maybe we'll get another round on this.