If I could, I will begin. To go back to the issue of cloud providers and Amazon, I believe the Government of Ontario, under the prior government, has already outsourced a number of its database servers to Amazon web services. From a privacy and security point of view, I think it's setting the bar much too high for the public sector to be building the databases of the future. It's very clear that Shared Services Canada has struggled. That's no secret. A lot of problems have arisen from that. A member referred to Phoenix a short time ago.
There are, of course, imperfections and challenges in working with private actors, as has been discussed. It seems to me that the better route is to work with the most sophisticated technology companies in the world. They have the security capacities to enshrine privacy, as Apple tries to do—perhaps more than social media companies today. Certainly, Amazon and Microsoft are very focused on security in terms of their cloud offerings. We should also be engaging the private sector in a dialogue about the privacy implications of that and ensuring there is robust accountability for how they partake in public infrastructure and what the implications are. I don't really see an alternative.