Going to the people who will be implementing this, the public servants, both of you have spoken about things like culture change.
Mr. Snow, I think you said that this is more about change management than it is about technology.
I noted that you said there's a public sector digital academy. You have mechanisms such as this talent cloud to bring talent in for short periods. In terms of the culture shift that is going to be required by the public service, how are you making sure that it is in place, not just the technology but the people?