Thanks to each of you for your presentation. I want to follow up with Mr. Gogolek and Mr. Conacher.
Both your organizations at various times have advocated for expanding the access rules, not just to government organizations proper but to ones that are controlled by government or significantly funded by government.
I'm wondering, on the issue of exclusions, creating loopholes or black holes, the extent to which claims about sensitive commercial information at that point can be used as governments contract out services, and whether your organizations have experience in cases where contracting out to third parties has created the kinds of loopholes or denials of requests for information that you're concerned about regarding exclusion, let's say, for cabinet documents.